Thinking of a new tow vehicle.

[mdadgar]

Hey it's how the volt worked, sorta....kinda....basically. Worked great, not sure why GM didnt sell more.

38 mile range. It's a perceived problem, if not an actual problem.

I owned a 2012 Volt and now I'm on my second Cadillac ELR, which is basically a Gen1 Volt in a nicer suit.

They sold a crap-ton of Volts here in CA thanks to the HOV lane sticker they qualified for (which lets you drive solo in the High Occupancy Vehicle aka "carpool" lane).

- Mark

[NautiGirl]

Hey it's how the volt worked, sorta....kinda....basically. Worked great, not sure why GM didnt sell more.

38 mile range. It's a perceived problem, if not an actual problem.

I owned a 2012 Volt and now I'm on my second Cadillac ELR, which is basically a Gen1 Volt in a nicer suit.

They sold a crap-ton of Volts here in CA thanks to the HOV lane sticker they qualified for (which lets you drive solo in the High Occupancy Vehicle aka "carpool" lane).

- Mark

38 miles is a little low but that was on what 2010 battery technology? The setup of battery powered vehicle with a gas powered engine to recharge seems like a great plan. Beats tracking down then waiting for a super charger station.

[mdadgar]

38 miles is a little low but that was on what 2010 battery technology? The setup of battery powered vehicle with a gas powered engine to recharge seems like a great plan. Beats tracking down then waiting for a super charger station.

The downside is that you always have to haul 600 lbs of motor around for the 10% of time that you need it.

I did the first 16,800 miles in my Volt on 10.8 gallons of gas.

- Mark

[NautiGirl]

38 miles is a little low but that was on what 2010 battery technology? The setup of battery powered vehicle with a gas powered engine to recharge seems like a great plan. Beats tracking down then waiting for a super charger station.

The downside is that you always have to haul 600 lbs of motor around for the 10% of time that you need it.

I did the first 16,800 miles in my Volt on 10.8 gallons of gas.

- Mark

But that 10% of the time you do need it that engine is really handy. Could be super nice in a tesla truck when you are say towing a boat to a lake in the middle of nowhere with no charging stations but plenty of gas stations.

[mdadgar]

But that 10% of the time you do need it that engine is really handy. Could be super nice in a tesla truck when you are say towing a boat to a lake in the middle of nowhere with no charging stations but plenty of gas stations.

Sure. I'd prefer a plug-in module for the bed, though, so I could take it out when I don't need it. There's been some speculation that Rivian is thinking that way.

https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/rivian-p ... kup-truck/

The Nikola semi has an on-board hydrogen fuel cell + battery and they are claiming they are going to build a pickup now, too.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/10/2113 ... tery-range

- Mark

[cmattj]

And towing affects range fairly dramatically. I wonder if we'll see supplemental battery packs that go in the truck bed or some such thing if you're using the truck to tow instead of haul things in the bed or just tool around town.

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Should not be an issue if the extra extended range option is selected.

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Hey it's how the volt worked, sorta....kinda....basically. Worked great, not sure why GM didnt sell more.

It was a great platform that truly allows you to have great electric range 40-50 miles then with a gas generator ( engine that creates electric with no drivetrain output) It would continue on!
Sadly when GM restructuring took place a couple years ago the Volt and Cruze said their good byes.
GM is making room for the next generation all electric vehicles they said. Ok we liked the Volt and Cadillac ELR. Damn sexy In candied red.

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The irony is that a majority of older Volts are being used in gas for generator electric propulsion. The consumer hasn’t grasped that even batteries need replacement after 10 years.

Cheers to future electric car gardens everywhere unless the consumers know what the new shelf life with the electric cars will be.
Think they are ready?

[mdadgar]

The irony is that a majority of older Volts are being used in gas for generator electric propulsion. The consumer hasn’t grasped that even batteries need replacement after 10 years.

Cheers to future electric car gardens everywhere unless the consumers know what the new shelf life with the electric cars will be.
Think they are ready?

Hah. Consumers don't keep cars anywhere near 10 years anymore!

- Mark

[Big Block Power]

The irony is that a majority of older Volts are being used in gas for generator electric propulsion. The consumer hasn’t grasped that even batteries need replacement after 10 years.

Cheers to future electric car gardens everywhere unless the consumers know what the new shelf life with the electric cars will be.
Think they are ready?

Hah. Consumers don't keep cars anywhere near 10 years anymore!

- Mark

Mark you would be highly surprised on that. The average car coming through the shop used to be 10 years and is now up to 13 years. Just saying

[mdadgar]

Mark you would be highly surprised on that. The average car coming through the shop used to be 10 years and is now up to 13 years. Just saying

I'm guessing it's highly dependent on location. All those cars people unload after 3 or 4 years need to go somewhere.

Seriously, though, the reality is that electric cars will last a long time as there's comparatively little to go wrong. So the occasional battery pack swap will keep them running for a long, long time.

- Mark

[Big Block Power]

Mark you would be highly surprised on that. The average car coming through the shop used to be 10 years and is now up to 13 years. Just saying

I'm guessing it's highly dependent on location. All those cars people unload after 3 or 4 years need to go somewhere.

Seriously, though, the reality is that electric cars will last a long time as there's comparatively little to go wrong. So the occasional battery pack swap will keep them running for a long, long time.

- Mark

I agree. The next 10 years are going to be very interesting. Can't wait.

[cmattj]

Mark you would be highly surprised on that. The average car coming through the shop used to be 10 years and is now up to 13 years. Just saying

I'm guessing it's highly dependent on location. All those cars people unload after 3 or 4 years need to go somewhere.

Seriously, though, the reality is that electric cars will last a long time as there's comparatively little to go wrong. So the occasional battery pack swap will keep them running for a long, long time.

- Mark

I agree. The next 10 years are going to be very interesting. Can't wait.

Here is snap shot for a Fleet pricing on a battery pack for a 2011 Volt installed. This is with no other components.

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Oh and for fun here is the NADA value on the same Volt with a 160,000.

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[Big Block Power]

Darn fleet companies. Then after you get there payment is a grand less. Lol
Ari, donleen I love them. Not.

[mdadgar]

Interesting - GM was subsidizing them for a long time on the Gen1 Volts. They were about $3K IIRC.

- Mark

[cmattj]

Interesting - GM was subsidizing them for a long time on the Gen1 Volts. They were about $3K IIRC.

- Mark

Yes I remember. We may see the next wave of Batteries obviously more competitive due to EV popularity.
They do offer separate packs of the batteries in the event only 1-2 are bad . But shelf life usually says do them all after 8 years.
I was more disappointed in the poor resale value?!
Geeze one more reason GM is going a different direction.
I’m a Volt fan too! Shhhhh

[liquid]

The irony is that a majority of older Volts are being used in gas for generator electric propulsion. The consumer hasn’t grasped that even batteries need replacement after 10 years.

Cheers to future electric car gardens everywhere unless the consumers know what the new shelf life with the electric cars will be.
Think they are ready?

Hah. Consumers don't keep cars anywhere near 10 years anymore!

- Mark

2004 RX 330.