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Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:42 pm
by Big Block Power
AsLan7 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:27 am
Big Block Power wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:02 am Headed to the lake.

Nice shot.

Hey,I thought you had a Cobalt license plate hangin' from the rear starboard side of that trailer, no?

Thanks it's there. The drive is in the way. Started good then the flat tire.lol

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:03 pm
by AsLan7
Big Block Power wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:42 pm
AsLan7 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:27 am
Big Block Power wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:02 am Headed to the lake.

Nice shot.

Hey,I thought you had a Cobalt license plate hangin' from the rear starboard side of that trailer, no?

Thanks it's there. The drive is in the way. Started good then the flat tire.lol


Ahhh thx.
I liked yours so much, Big block, that I did the same with my trailer. Forgot to take the pic though...doh!

You know what they say...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :D 8-)

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:49 pm
by liquid
I've been kicking around getting a new truck for a while. My little Lexus has 195K on it. Almost time. Already decided I'm getting a Suburban for the wife that'll be the main family truckster and Towing vehicle. Mine is different. I want something that can tow but doesn't have to fit all the kids. I've been kicking around a Range Rover sport (as I've always wanted one) and the Porsche Macan. So I just went over to the Range dealership as the have the F-Type trucks as well. Welp, you never know when you're going to fall in love. Holy sh@t is the new Velar a sexy little minx. All touch screen interior. tows 5000, which is more than I need.

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:52 pm
by AsLan7
liquid wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:49 pm I've been kicking around getting a new truck for a while. My little Lexus has 195K on it. Almost time. Already decided I'm getting a Suburban for the wife that'll be the main family truckster and Towing vehicle. Mine is different. I want something that can tow but doesn't have to fit all the kids. I've been kicking around a Range Rover sport (as I've always wanted one) and the Porsche Macan. So I just went over to the Range dealership as the have the F-Type trucks as well. Welp, you never know when you're going to fall in love. Holy sh@t is the new Velar a sexy little minx. All touch screen interior. tows 5000, which is more than I need.
I can certainly see you in that liquid! Write the check. 8-)

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:19 pm
by Driller
I've been the owner a diesel Porsche Cayenne for a number of years. Love the vehicle. Gets 30 mpg at 80 mph. I drive a lot of miles, so it's nice to be able to drive 700 miles on a tank of gas.

Has a towing capacity of 7716 lbs. I'm sure that the engine and transmission will pull it the load. It is equipped with the towing package which includes the transmission cooler, wiring, and hitch. The turbo charge V6 generates about 405 ft lbs of torque.

What I am concerned about it being able to control the boat in the event of a blowout on the trailer or the need to perform a quick maneuver. Seems that towing a boat that weighs ~ 5000 lbs with a SUV that weights ~ 4700 lbs might not be a good idea.

I think with the right brakes on the trailer I would be able to stop it. Don't currently own a trailer, so I could get one equipped as needed.

I've been thinking about changing it out for a diesel truck, but due to Volkswagen's cheating on emissions they have extended my bumper-to-bumper warranty to 2021 with unlimited miles or 100,000 miles depending on how you read the paperwork. Either way it will be a while.

What are your thoughts?

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:49 pm
by liquid
Driller wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:19 pm I've been the owner a diesel Porsche Cayenne for a number of years. Love the vehicle. Gets 30 mpg at 80 mph. I drive a lot of miles, so it's nice to be able to drive 700 miles on a tank of gas.

Has a towing capacity of 7716 lbs. I'm sure that the engine and transmission will pull it the load. It is equipped with the towing package which includes the transmission cooler, wiring, and hitch. The turbo charge V6 generates about 405 ft lbs of torque.

What I am concerned about it being able to control the boat in the event of a blowout on the trailer or the need to perform a quick maneuver. Seems that towing a boat that weighs ~ 5000 lbs with a SUV that weights ~ 4700 lbs might not be a good idea.

I think with the right brakes on the trailer I would be able to stop it. Don't currently own a trailer, so I could get one equipped as needed.

I've been thinking about changing it out for a diesel truck, but due to Volkswagen's cheating on emissions they have extended my bumper-to-bumper warranty to 2021 with unlimited miles or 100,000 miles depending on how you read the paperwork. Either way it will be a while.

What are your thoughts?
I think it's more than adequate to tow your boat... depending on how far & how often. Would definitely have brakes on trailer as well.

I love that truck. Let's see a pic!

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:55 pm
by AsLan7
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"I've been thinking about changing it out for a diesel truck, but due to Volkswagen's cheating on emissions they have extended my bumper-to-bumper warranty to 2021 with unlimited miles or 100,000 miles depending on how you read the paperwork. Either way it will be a while."

What are your thoughts?"





KEEP IT!

...of course I'm a porsche fan too :D ;)

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Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:56 pm
by liquid
nice whip! More pics!

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:45 pm
by SBA1988
Image

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:52 pm
by cmattj
Driller wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:19 pm I've been the owner a diesel Porsche Cayenne for a number of years. Love the vehicle. Gets 30 mpg at 80 mph. I drive a lot of miles, so it's nice to be able to drive 700 miles on a tank of gas.

Has a towing capacity of 7716 lbs. I'm sure that the engine and transmission will pull it the load. It is equipped with the towing package which includes the transmission cooler, wiring, and hitch. The turbo charge V6 generates about 405 ft lbs of torque.

What I am concerned about it being able to control the boat in the event of a blowout on the trailer or the need to perform a quick maneuver. Seems that towing a boat that weighs ~ 5000 lbs with a SUV that weights ~ 4700 lbs might not be a good idea.

I think with the right brakes on the trailer I would be able to stop it. Don't currently own a trailer, so I could get one equipped as needed.

I've been thinking about changing it out for a diesel truck, but due to Volkswagen's cheating on emissions they have extended my bumper-to-bumper warranty to 2021 with unlimited miles or 100,000 miles depending on how you read the paperwork. Either way it will be a while.

What are your thoughts?
All good points.. One thing to remember is that tow ratings are for flat land GVW capacity in towing. A simple 4% grade will double the weight and exceed that capacity quickly.
Ever tow uphill full throttle and only maintain 50mph?
If you do limited flat land driving your marginal but it would be fine. And since you don't tow every day of the week I'm with you on getting A nice ride that will still tow.
Plus it will be under warranty :lol:

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:45 pm
by AsLan7
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Tow ratings and how they are determined:

http://www.trucktrend.com/news/163-0910 ... -capacity/

Informative paragraph:

"Capability Testing
When towing a trailer of any size, you need enough engine torque to get it launched from a stop, including uphill, and enough power to keep it moving at reasonable speeds up long, steep grades and to safely pass on two-lane roads. You need sufficient engine and driveline cooling to avoid overheating coolant or lubricants up long hills and in hot weather and sufficient brake capacity and cooling to safely descend long downhill grades. You don't want the trailer fishtailing or destabilizing your tow vehicle under any conditions, and you don't want to overload your tires, wheels, suspension, frame, or body structure.


Not surprisingly, tow vehicle develop-ment and testing is extensive. It begins at the component level, in labs and on benches, continues through the subsystem level (chassis, brakes, powertrain) and culminates with complete vehicles from early prototypes through production. "We do a lot of hot-room and cold-room testing," says Chrysler's Cairns. "We have goal temperatures for critical components, so we take thermal data from fully instrumented vehicles in test cells and match that against CFD [computational fluid dynamics].
"We also do a lot of work in the wind tunnel to assure that we're getting good cooling airflow while minimizing drag. Cooling drag is big drag, so you want to make sure you have enough but not too much. [For that reason] for the first time, we have separated our light-duty from the heavy-duty truck in front-end styling, because we were able to optimize the light-duty for aerodynamics and the heavy-duty for capability."


Vehicle synthesis engineer Jason Briggs adds that Chrysler (like everyone) uses a variety of public-road test sites: "Davis Dam in Arizona, which is used in the coming SAE standards, Eisenhower Grade in Colorado, Baker Grade in California. We do climate-control testing in Death Valley and in the Southeast for heavy heat and humidity. We also do city traffic, with and without trailers, for cooling performance.""




That article is from 2009.
Since then, even more standardized testing is required.

"New SAE Standards
The upcoming SAE J2807 recommended practices will include five areas of testing: structure, propulsion, thermal, handling, and braking. The structure tests validate body, bumper, and frame strength and the hitch itself. The propulsion tests include: launching five times in five minutes, in forward and reverse, on a (very steep) 12-percent grade; zero to 30, zero-to-60, and 40-60-mph level-road acceleration tests; and minimum speed on the Davis Dam grade.
The thermal test, which is part of the long, grueling Davis Dam gradeability exercise, requires no loss of fluids and no warning alerts that would require customer action--and it must be done at 100 degrees F or hotter. The handling tests require sufficient trailer-sway damping and stability enhancing tow vehicle understeer with weight-carrying and weight-distributing hitch setups. The brake tests specify a maximum stopping distance from 20 mph (from federal regulations) and both uphill and downhill park-brake performance on a 12-percent grade."



Towing definitions 101:
http://www.curtmfg.com/page/towing101_ch4


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Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:49 pm
by cmattj
What he said.... thanks A

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:58 pm
by AsLan7
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Btw, on our last boat, we took it to a truck stop on a slow day and put the rig on a scale. She had full fuel. Did a quick weigh in of the vehicle with tow rig and then just the trailer/boat. After that quick weigh-in --off we went.

That way you'll have an accurate load weight and you'll know exactly the weight you are hauling.

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:29 pm
by Big Block Power
SBA1988 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:45 pmImage
Nice set up.

Re: Let's see your Tow rigs with your boat!

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:44 am
by liquid
Big Block Power wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:29 pm
SBA1988 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:45 pmImage
Nice set up.
Agreed.