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justchillin wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:47 pm $h!1s about to get real! It’s all your fault Nauti. 😜
I try. I had the same stack of stuff sitting in a room last year. It's just money right? Think how awesome it will sound in a cove next year.

justchillin wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:31 pm OK all the wires are run. 175 ft of 12 gauge speaker and 1 gauge power and ground all terminating in the forward port storage area. Speakers are in except the sub and tower. Towers are still on there way.

I'm ready to cut the sub hole and wire it in. Gonna have to measure 7 times before I cut! For the sub I'm probably gonna use my roto zip with the circle attachment. The only problem I see so far is the depth of the sub against the rear carpeted board in the back of the compartment. I might have to get creative and space the board out a bit.
Yes - you will need to space the sub out to make it fit...ask me how I know. Katie and I came up /w all kinds of ideas to try to make it fit flush with the fiberglass. My first idea was to space the carpeted board farther into the compartment, nope there is a stringer that makes a bump in the compartment so that idea wont work. Next idea was to cut the board to fit farther up in the compartment but I couldn't really do that without messing up the carpet.

Easiest thing to do is to order a starboard spacer from these guys: https://www.boatoutfitters.com/custom-s ... trim-rings It's a little pricey, but its also CNC cut to your exact dimensions. By the time you add up the starboard I ruined trying to cut my own w/ a dremel just ordering it was cheaper. Here is how it turned out:
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justchillin wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:31 pm
As for wiring it all in...... I've got 2 M600/6. I was planning on using one for the 6 MX650s and the other for the tower and sub. The fader would control the tower speakers. My current Sony head unit has 2 sets of audio out rca plugs, front and rear. It also has a pig tail rca output for the sub. How do I connect the rca cords and what settings do I select on the amps? I assuming one rca cord will go from the fwd audio out to the ch 1&2 of the #1 amp for the 6 speakers. I'm also assuming I'd select the input mode on the amp to 2 Ch.
The rear audio out would go to the ch 1&2 of the #2 amp along and the with pig tailed sub cord going to ch 3&4. 5&6 would be empty. Again I'm assuming I'd set the input to 4 Ch.

How about the remote level control for the sub? It plugs into the back of the #2 amp. The selector switch for it says all, 3-6 and 5&6. If my sub is wired into ch 3&4 and I set it at 3-6 will that work for the sub level only?

What else???
The Amp manual covers the way the remote level controls works, the way its labeled on the amp really isn't that clear. We have a sony head unit with two sets of RCA's as well as a dedicated set of Sub RCA's. Here is how I did mine:

Amp 1 - Single RCA output from the head unit to the Amp. Set the Amp to 2 Channel and it will send the single input to all six channels.

Amp 2 - Set to Six channel mode so each channel has its own input. Channels 1 - 2 are bridged for the sub. They have a dedicated set of RCA's from the head unit sub output. I then used Y Adapters to split the other head unit output into four channels. Channels 3 - 4 are bridged for one tower, 5 and 6 for the other tower.

If you want to control the Sub volume with the Remote level control but not affect the volume of the towers you are going to add you just need to shift things around a bit. Wire the Sub bridged to 5 and 6. Then set the Remote Level Mode switch to 5 & 6. IT will then Control the level of the sub leaving the other channels unaffected.

Make sense?
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If you do decide to order the spacer from BoatOutfitters here are the dimensions you need. This results in a spacer that is exactly the same outer diameter as the M8IB5 Sub.

Thickness 3/4" - don't go any thinner. It wont space it out enough to get the board to fit.

Outer Hole Diameter 10 3/4" - This makes the spacer exactly the same outer diameter as the JL Sub. If you want to see some of the spacer you can go a bit larger, but not too much or the spacer will hit the bottom of the passenger side console.

Inner Hole Diameter - 8 7/8" - This is just the JL specified cutout size for the Sub.

I didn't want the spacer visible and this worked well. I drilled holes into the spacer then counter sunk them into the starboard a bit. Screwed the spacer to the boat then the sub to the spacer. Ended up costing around $40 to have it custom cut, but worth it in the end.
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NautiGirl wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:51 am
justchillin wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:47 pm $h!1s about to get real! It’s all your fault Nauti. 😜
I try. I had the same stack of stuff sitting in a room last year. It's just money right? Think how awesome it will sound in a cove next year.

justchillin wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:31 pm OK all the wires are run. 175 ft of 12 gauge speaker and 1 gauge power and ground all terminating in the forward port storage area. Speakers are in except the sub and tower. Towers are still on there way.

I'm ready to cut the sub hole and wire it in. Gonna have to measure 7 times before I cut! For the sub I'm probably gonna use my roto zip with the circle attachment. The only problem I see so far is the depth of the sub against the rear carpeted board in the back of the compartment. I might have to get creative and space the board out a bit.
Yes - you will need to space the sub out to make it fit...ask me how I know. Katie and I came up /w all kinds of ideas to try to make it fit flush with the fiberglass. My first idea was to space the carpeted board farther into the compartment, nope there is a stringer that makes a bump in the compartment so that idea wont work. Next idea was to cut the board to fit farther up in the compartment but I couldn't really do that without messing up the carpet.

Easiest thing to do is to order a starboard spacer from these guys: https://www.boatoutfitters.com/custom-s ... trim-rings It's a little pricey, but its also CNC cut to your exact dimensions. By the time you add up the starboard I ruined trying to cut my own w/ a dremel just ordering it was cheaper. Here is how it turned out:

Sub.jpg
justchillin wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:31 pm
As for wiring it all in...... I've got 2 M600/6. I was planning on using one for the 6 MX650s and the other for the tower and sub. The fader would control the tower speakers. My current Sony head unit has 2 sets of audio out rca plugs, front and rear. It also has a pig tail rca output for the sub. How do I connect the rca cords and what settings do I select on the amps? I assuming one rca cord will go from the fwd audio out to the ch 1&2 of the #1 amp for the 6 speakers. I'm also assuming I'd select the input mode on the amp to 2 Ch.
The rear audio out would go to the ch 1&2 of the #2 amp along and the with pig tailed sub cord going to ch 3&4. 5&6 would be empty. Again I'm assuming I'd set the input to 4 Ch.

How about the remote level control for the sub? It plugs into the back of the #2 amp. The selector switch for it says all, 3-6 and 5&6. If my sub is wired into ch 3&4 and I set it at 3-6 will that work for the sub level only?

What else???
The Amp manual covers the way the remote level controls works, the way its labeled on the amp really isn't that clear. We have a sony head unit with two sets of RCA's as well as a dedicated set of Sub RCA's. Here is how I did mine:

Amp 1 - Single RCA output from the head unit to the Amp. Set the Amp to 2 Channel and it will send the single input to all six channels.

Amp 2 - Set to Six channel mode so each channel has its own input. Channels 1 - 2 are bridged for the sub. They have a dedicated set of RCA's from the head unit sub output. I then used Y Adapters to split the other head unit output into four channels. Channels 3 - 4 are bridged for one tower, 5 and 6 for the other tower.

If you want to control the Sub volume with the Remote level control but not affect the volume of the towers you are going to add you just need to shift things around a bit. Wire the Sub bridged to 5 and 6. Then set the Remote Level Mode switch to 5 & 6. IT will then Control the level of the sub leaving the other channels unaffected.

Make sense?
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I added some 2x2 cut to length to space it out and moved the carpeted wall back.
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Practiced cutting for the sub. Tomorrow is the day!
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Amp 2 - Set to Six channel mode so each channel has its own input. Channels 1 - 2 are bridged for the sub. They have a dedicated set of RCA's from the head unit sub output. I then used Y Adapters to split the other head unit output into four channels. Channels 3 - 4 are bridged for one tower, 5 and 6 for the other tower.

My amp 1 is the same. #2 is my question. I have the same dedicated rca cables for the amp. I also have the rear rca connection for the tower. Front rca are going to amp #1. Should I bridge the sub and towers? Sub is M610IB and the towers are M6-770s. If so how?
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justchillin wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:58 pm Amp 2 - Set to Six channel mode so each channel has its own input. Channels 1 - 2 are bridged for the sub. They have a dedicated set of RCA's from the head unit sub output. I then used Y Adapters to split the other head unit output into four channels. Channels 3 - 4 are bridged for one tower, 5 and 6 for the other tower.

My amp 1 is the same. #2 is my question. I have the same dedicated rca cables for the amp. I also have the rear rca connection for the tower. Front rca are going to amp #1. Should I bridge the sub and towers? Sub is M610IB and the towers are M6-770s. If so how?
You are going to want to bridge channels for the Sub, if you don't you will be sending the sub 75w when its capable of handling 250. Bridge 1 and 2 to the sub that will get it 200w. Run the towers off 3 and 4. Leave 5 and 6 for future stuff.

Ours is setup like this:

Run one set of RCAs to amp 1 run that amp in two channel input mode power all the in boat speakers off that.
Run the second set of RCAs to Amp 2 channels 3 and 4
Run the Sub output from the Sony to inputs 1 and 2 on Amp 2
Run amp 2 in Six channel mode

Set the crossovers and gains appropriately for the sub and the towers on Amp 2.

To Bridge channels you hook the Positive Wire from the Sub to Positive on Amp Channel one. The Negative on the Sub to the negative on amp channel two. That combines the channels on the amp and results in more output power. Bridged two channels on the M600 are rated at 200w.

Easy right?
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NautiGirl wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:44 pm
justchillin wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:58 pm Amp 2 - Set to Six channel mode so each channel has its own input. Channels 1 - 2 are bridged for the sub. They have a dedicated set of RCA's from the head unit sub output. I then used Y Adapters to split the other head unit output into four channels. Channels 3 - 4 are bridged for one tower, 5 and 6 for the other tower.

My amp 1 is the same. #2 is my question. I have the same dedicated rca cables for the amp. I also have the rear rca connection for the tower. Front rca are going to amp #1. Should I bridge the sub and towers? Sub is M610IB and the towers are M6-770s. If so how?
You are going to want to bridge channels for the Sub, if you don't you will be sending the sub 75w when its capable of handling 250. Bridge 1 and 2 to the sub that will get it 200w. Run the towers off 3 and 4. Leave 5 and 6 for future stuff.

Ours is setup like this:

Run one set of RCAs to amp 1 run that amp in two channel input mode power all the in boat speakers off that.
Run the second set of RCAs to Amp 2 channels 3 and 4
Run the Sub output from the Sony to inputs 1 and 2 on Amp 2
Run amp 2 in Six channel mode

Set the crossovers and gains appropriately for the sub and the towers on Amp 2.

To Bridge channels you hook the Positive Wire from the Sub to Positive on Amp Channel one. The Negative on the Sub to the negative on amp channel two. That combines the channels on the amp and results in more output power. Bridged two channels on the M600 are rated at 200w.

Easy right?
Easy? Yep clear as mud. I've got a remote level for the sub so I think I have to put the towers on ch1 and bridge the sub off 5&6. The remote level only works on all, 3-6 and 5&6. So if I'm correct if I bridge 5&6 for the sub and select 5&6 for the remote I'll be able to adjust the sub down from it's optimum setting once I tune the speakers. Correct?? I'm sure I'll need some expertise on tuning the speakers later.
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justchillin wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:15 pm
NautiGirl wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:44 pm
justchillin wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:58 pm Amp 2 - Set to Six channel mode so each channel has its own input. Channels 1 - 2 are bridged for the sub. They have a dedicated set of RCA's from the head unit sub output. I then used Y Adapters to split the other head unit output into four channels. Channels 3 - 4 are bridged for one tower, 5 and 6 for the other tower.

My amp 1 is the same. #2 is my question. I have the same dedicated rca cables for the amp. I also have the rear rca connection for the tower. Front rca are going to amp #1. Should I bridge the sub and towers? Sub is M610IB and the towers are M6-770s. If so how?
You are going to want to bridge channels for the Sub, if you don't you will be sending the sub 75w when its capable of handling 250. Bridge 1 and 2 to the sub that will get it 200w. Run the towers off 3 and 4. Leave 5 and 6 for future stuff.

Ours is setup like this:

Run one set of RCAs to amp 1 run that amp in two channel input mode power all the in boat speakers off that.
Run the second set of RCAs to Amp 2 channels 3 and 4
Run the Sub output from the Sony to inputs 1 and 2 on Amp 2
Run amp 2 in Six channel mode

Set the crossovers and gains appropriately for the sub and the towers on Amp 2.

To Bridge channels you hook the Positive Wire from the Sub to Positive on Amp Channel one. The Negative on the Sub to the negative on amp channel two. That combines the channels on the amp and results in more output power. Bridged two channels on the M600 are rated at 200w.

Easy right?
Easy? Yep clear as mud. I've got a remote level for the sub so I think I have to put the towers on ch1 and bridge the sub off 5&6. The remote level only works on all, 3-6 and 5&6. So if I'm correct if I bridge 5&6 for the sub and select 5&6 for the remote I'll be able to adjust the sub down from it's optimum setting once I tune the speakers. Correct?? I'm sure I'll need some expertise on tuning the speakers later.
I assume you are trying to control the Sub volume /w the remote level control while leaving the tower volumes untouched?

If that is the case yes run the Sub off 5 and 6 bridged and the speakers you dont want to alter the volume for on channels 1 - 4. Amp stays in six channel mode with the sub output from the head unit going to inputs for 5 and 6.

Setting gain and crossover is easy, JL has a good description of the procedure in the manual. Have a good multimeter?
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Yep that’s correct sub on 5&6 with the remote level and towers on 1&2.

I saw JLs YouTube video on it and read it in the amps manual. Looks pretty simple.

On another note I survived cutting a big ass hole in my boat lol.
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justchillin wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:42 pm Yep that’s correct sub on 5&6 with the remote level and towers on 1&2.

I saw JLs YouTube video on it and read it in the amps manual. Looks pretty simple.

On another note I survived cutting a big ass hole in my boat lol.
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It’s done except for the tower speakers. They’ll arrive next week. Sounds awesome!! Definitely ready for Margaritaville on the lake opening in May. Thanks guys.
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Looks great. Congrats. Sounds awesome!!
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Big Block Power wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 6:52 pm BBP and Max ate not a fan of loud tunes. Oh well. I showed them the new volume controls just for them.
I will say it sounded good even at a low volume.
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BBp, we need pics of your volume controls as we are doing something similar.

Got milk?....I mean pics?? 8-)

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AsLan7 wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:14 pm
Big Block Power wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 6:52 pm BBP and Max ate not a fan of loud tunes. Oh well. I showed them the new volume controls just for them.
I will say it sounded good even at a low volume.
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BBp, we need pics of your volume controls as we are doing something similar.

Got milk?....I mean pics?? 8-)

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Let me one of you need to see how I installed them.
They work great. I have 1 for the sub, tower and frt bow speakers.
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